Daily Archives: October 24, 2012

Kay Warren Preaches Sunday Services at Northwood Church in Texas

Apprising Ministries reminds you that while the issue of women being ordained elders and pastors has been debated within some of evangelicalism, up until now it’s essentially been contained within the more charismatic and Pentecostal fringes. The more mainstream denominations, e.g. the Southern Baptist Convention, have for the most part still maintained the proper Biblical position that women cannot be ordained as elders.

However, as one whose work in the Lord is to monitor Intel along the Internet Front and assess trends within the larger visible church, it’s my considered opinion that this will soon be changing. You need to know that placing women in the pastorate is now going to be a real push by those falling victim to the delusion of Rodney King theology passing as Christian doctrine in too much of the church visible.

With this in mind, General of the Seeker Driven Army Rick Warren tweeted out where his wife Kay would be functioning as an elder once again:


It’s not the first time Kay Warren has functioned as teaching elder; you may recall Kay Warren Preaches Sunday Services At Saddleback Church. Warren’s message was entitled Beyond the Walls and you’ll see it is found in the section Sermons.

Christian Research Network is a sister work of Apprising Ministries and the following CRN Associate Editor Erin Benziger of Do Not Be Surprised… brings us up to speed concerning Kay Warren at Northwood Church where Bob Roberts is senior pastor:

Recent months have seen a growing number of popular female teachers and leaders casting aside the biblical admonition of 1 Timothy 2:12. Sadly, it is not uncommon in evangelicalism to find on any given Sunday that one of these women has filled a church’s pulpit and willingly has presented biblical instruction to a crowd of mixed genders.

It has now been brought to CRN’s attention that Kay Warren preached the Sunday, 21 October, sermon at Northwood Church in Keller, Texas. Warren’s message was entitled “Beyond the Walls,” and the church website description reads,

What does it take to change the world–is just being a Christian enough?

The answer to that is a resounding “No!” Just being a Christian is like having a tool box and never fixing anything. You have what you need to make an impact, but if you don’t apply those resources, you’ll never see that changes in yourself, your marriage, your family, your finances or your city that you’re looking for everyday.

So we’re going Beyond! We’re going to go Beyond just asking Jesus into our hearts to allowing Him to direct what we do for God’s kingdom. We’re going Beyond knowing the Bible to allowing its truths transform us. We’re going Beyond the Sunday morning church service to change our city and the world. We’re going Beyond ourselves to build community that will make a difference when all of us work together!


Interestingly, this past week at Northwood Church was not the first time that Kay Warren has stepped into this role. In 2012 alone, Kay Warren has not only preached several weekend services at her own church, but also took to the pulpit of the Crystal Cathedral.

The Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) agrees with the biblical standard that women are not to hold the position of elder or pastor within a church. Below is the SBC’s official position on the role of women in the church (emphasis added):

A New Testament church of the Lord Jesus Christ is an autonomous local congregation of baptized believers, associated by covenant in the faith and fellowship of the gospel; observing the two ordinances of Christ, governed by His laws, exercising the gifts, rights, and privileges invested in them by His Word, and seeking to extend the gospel to the ends of the earth. Each congregation operates under the Lordship of Christ through democratic processes. In such a congregation each member is responsible and accountable to Christ as Lord. Its scriptural officers are pastors and deacons. While both men and women are gifted for service in the church, the office of pastor is limited to men as qualified by Scripture.


While other SBC documents may offer a perceived loophole in this instruction, most Southern Baptists would affirm the position stated above.

Rick and Kay Warren’s Saddleback Church is officially registered with the Southern Baptist Convention, so it is presumed that they would adhere to the biblical standards set forth by the SBC in regard to women preaching. It seems quite odd, then, that Kay Warren would continue to disregard this clear teaching set forth in Scripture. In preaching Sunday services, Kay Warren undoubtedly found herself teaching a mixed audience of both men and women. How can this be reconciled not only with the SBC’s stated position on this topic, but with the biblical prohibition against women taking authority within the church?

This growing phenomenon of women usurping the role of pastor, if even for one week, has been on prominent display with some of evangelicalism’s popular female Bible teachers. As only two examples, earlier this year, SBC Bible teacher Beth Moore preached at the church of Louie Giglio. Christine Caine of Hillsong Church has preached at Steven Furtick’s Elevation Church as well as Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church. Should the body of Christ remain silent on this issue? If it was important enough for God to offer explicit instruction in His Word, then it ought to be of equal importance to Christians today.


If Only…

It’s so easy to slip into an “if only” lifestyle. I find myself slipping into it often. The “if only” possibilities are endless:

If only I’d been from a more stable family…
If only I had a more understanding spouse…
If only my children were more obedient…
If only I’d been able to find a better job…
If only I’d come to know Christ earlier…
The seductive thing about our “if onlys” is that there is a bit of plausibility in all of them. We do live in a fallen world. We all face hardships of various kinds. We all have been sinned against in a variety of ways.

None of us ever lived in ideal circumstances or in perfect relationships. The world is a broken place and we have all been touched in many ways by its brokenness. Yet, the “if only” lifestyle tends to say, “My biggest problem in life exists outside of me and not inside of me.”

In Psalm 51 David says something very radical. It’s counter-intuitive to a culture that tends to say that we all are the result of what our experience has made us. David says, “Surely I have been a sinner from birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.” (Psalm 51:5)

David is saying that his greatest problem in all of life is not the result of what he has suffered in the situations and relationships of his life. Rather, David is saying that his biggest problem is internal and was there before he had any of these experiences! And David gives this deep and internal problem a name – sin. How humbling!

Think about it this way. It’s the evil that is inside of you that either magnetizes you to the evil outside of you or causes you to deal with the evil outside of you in a way that is wrong. It’s only when you begin to accept that your greatest problem in all of life is not what has happened or been done to you, that you begin to get excited about the rescuing grace of Jesus Christ. It’s only when you begin to accept that your greatest need is something you came into the world with, that you will begin to hunger for the help that only God can give you.

It’s only then that you begin to hunger for more than changes of situation and relationship. It’s only then that you begin to accept the most radical and personally liberating truth that you could ever conceive. What is that truth? It’s that what you and I really need to be rescued from is us! We are the biggest danger to us. That’s why God offers us the gorgeous promise of his grace which has the power to change us from the inside out.

Are you embracing that promise or are you still saying, “If only…”

Make a list of the “If Only’s” that you find yourself repeating. If you’re stuck, I’ve included a much longer list here on my website.
If you’re honest, who do you blame most? Circumstances, relationships, situations (outside), or a heart that’s corrupt (internal)?
How can you become more self-aware that your biggest problem exists inside of you, not outside of you?
God bless

Paul David Tripp